Cadillac Engine Lathe Manual
It depends on the lathe. Cadillac and Webb where/are just re-branders that import something, slap their name on it.
At one time Webb was the importer for Whacheon (same as Hwacheon) and sold the Mori Seiki pattern lathe. Cadillac also sold the Whacheon for awhile.
The Whacheon isn't a 'copy lathe' in the usual sense of Asian lathes, rather they licensed the design and tooling from Mori Seiki and the parts are interchangeable. To add to it, the Whacheon I own says 'Royal' on it, and I have seen other Royal/Whacheons.
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There are however, both Webb and Cadillac (and Royal) lathes that are Taiwanese, and I presume also some PRC made. Some are reputed to be good, some not so good. If it is a late 70's or early 80's, is a 17 x 40 or 60, or a 20 x 80, and looks exactly like a Mori Seiki, chances are real good it is a Whacheon made licensed copy of the Mori.
Whether is says Cadillac, Webb, Royal, or Whacheon on the front. You can call Whacheon USA with the serial number and they can tell you if it is one of theirs. Generally the makers plaque (as contrasted with the banner on the headstock) will say Hwacheon on it. All these things I learned on my 6 month search for that perfect condition Mori Seiki MS1050G (which I never found). Cadillac and Webb where/are just re-branders that import something, slap their name on it. At one time Webb was the importer for Whacheon (same as Hwacheon) and sold the Mori Seiki pattern lathe. Cadillac also sold the Whacheon for awhile.
The Whacheon isn't a 'copy lathe' in the usual sense of Asian lathes, rather they licensed the design and tooling from Mori Seiki and the parts are interchangeable. There are however, both Webb and Cadillac (and Royal) lathes that are Taiwanese, and I presume also some PRC made. Some are reputed to be good, some not so good. Today I spoke with both Webb and Whacheon and it is confusing on the history, (especially the bit about reversing the 'Wh' and the 'Hw' in the name!) but bottom line the Hwacheon is the 'good one' made in South Korea, still sold today (see below link) and current base price is $28,000!! When I asked the Whacheon guy about where Webb Mori copies were made, he says 'dunno this week, last week Taiwain.this week maybe somewhere else' Funny.don't recall seeing a machine tool distributor or importer with just one product! I thought the Webb Mori pattern lathes from around 1980 were made by Hwacheon (it says so on the plaque on at least some of them). Later they had some that don't look exactly like a Mori (shift levers a bit different, headstock looks slightly different, there are some Cadillacs that look identical), and aren't made by Hwacheon.
And shortly after that there are lots of different Webb lathes, all looking pretty generically PRC. I also thought that the Webb family was the official importer of Hwacheon for awhile, but there was some kind of falling out within the family and maybe with Korea. Then Whacheon USA was established. Did they tell you something different? Just curious really, to add to my useless trivia database about the Whacheon saga.
A new Whacheon is a nice machine, nearly the only thing in its class available at any price. Did they tell you something different? Just curious really, to add to my useless trivia database about the Whacheon saga.
No, you have it pretty much right.I just didn't go into historic details on the theory that no one cared. Note I was speaking in specifics about 'now'.not the past. Yes, Webb had the exclusive until 1987 at which point Hwacheon supposely got irritated at them selling Taiwanese machines in the Webb mix, thus possibly diluting the reputation of the Hwacheon due to confusion, so they went seperate ways. The lathe I have came directly from Whacheon in 1994.
Bottom line, if you get a Webb.best to get one 1987 or older. The cool thing is that Hwacheon (or Whacheon ) parts are available from either source.
I have manuals for the cadillac 14' lathe. There are two versions of the basic lathe most of which has to do with a change of manufactures during the 1970's.
The early Cadillacs have a more standard quick change tumbler handle and are A1-5 spindle machines. The later Cadillacs had more of a rotary selector for gear changes and some had a D1-5 spindle. I have two 14' Cadillac lathes, one of each style, an 1974 model and a later built in 1980. Here is the link to a posting I made just after I got the earlier style cadillac painted. I will round up a parts manual and see about getting it copied. I forget which one my manual is actually for the early or the later style but its been better than nothing.
I have found that few parts are available. For the most part I found nothing seriously wrong with the one Cadillac I have went thru and painted and the few little items that were missing I just made myself. Webb machinery is who was putting the Cadillac name on these lathes and they refered me to a company that still had some parts. In the end the only thing I ended up buying from Webb was two new Cadillac name plates. I hope you got the Gold Plated Nametags for you Cadillac- No Cadillac is complete without a bit of bling, you know. The one thing my now departed Jewish Mother-in-Law had in common with Rappers- she loved her Caddy, and paid extra for silly bling like Gold Plated everything, fake convertible top, fancy wheels, and so on. Too bad she died before they invented spinners- she woulda loved em.
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You gotta forgive her, though- she was born in Russia during the First World War. I love the way they used the name Cadillac to convey quality and status, on a lathe. I am looking forward to Lexus, Infiniti, and Lincoln lathes as well. The italians already built some Lamborghini, and even Ferrari machine tools.